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Poster: Victoria Sachs Date: Jan 29, 2008 2:38pm
Forum: web Subject: The Internet Archive Censorship Scandal

Dear Mr. Brewster Kahle, Founder of Internet Archive:

How are you? :)

We read your stated goal of "Universal Access to all Knowledge".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brewster_Kahle

Now the world is wondering why Internet Archive is censoring Newsweek, Reuters, Alternet, ABC, Time, MSNBC, ABC News, Nasdaq, Bloomberg, LA Times, Times of India, CNN, UAL, CBS News, the NY Times, and nearly every major news source during a particular period in 2001.

* 07/23/2001 to 09/15/2001 Internet Archive censored 55 consecutive days of Newsweek.com
* 07/22/2001 to 09/10/2001 Internet Archive censored 51 consecutive days of Reuters.com
* 08/03/2001 to 09/15/2001 Internet Archive censored 44 consecutive days of Alternet.org
* 08/04/2001 to 09/15/2001 Internet Archive censored 43 consecutive days of ABC.com
* 08/06/2001 to 09/13/2001 Internet Archive censored 39 consecutive days of Time.com
* 08/09/2001 to 09/10/2001 Internet Archive censored 33 consecutive days of MSNBC.com
* 08/13/2001 to 09/10/2001 Internet Archive censored 29 consecutive days of ABCnews.com
* 08/24/2001 to 09/12/2001 Internet Archive censored 20 consecutive days of Nasdaq.com
* 08/24/2001 to 09/11/2001 Internet Archive censored 19 consecutive days of Bloomberg.com
* 08/23/2001 to 09/10/2001 Internet Archive censored 19 consecutive days of LAtimes.com
* 08/26/2001 to 09/13/2001 Internet Archive censored 19 consecutive days of Timesofindia.com
* 08/24/2001 to 09/10/2001 Internet Archive censored 18 consecutive days of CNN.com
* 08/24/2001 to 09/10/2001 Internet Archive censored 18 consecutive days of UAL.com
* 08/27/2001 to 09/12/2001 Internet Archive censored 17 consecutive days of CBSnews.com
* 08/23/2001 to 09/01/2001 Internet Archive censored 10 consecutive days of NYtimes.com

"The Archive's mission is to help preserve those artifacts and create an Internet library for researchers, historians, and scholars."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Archive

Please choose to show the world those news artifacts now.

Sincerely,

Victoria Sachs

http://web.archive.org/web/2001*sa_dc_ir_/http://www.newsweek.com
http://web.archive.org/web/2001*sa_dc_ir_/http://www.reuters.com
http://web.archive.org/web/2001*sa_dc_ir_/http://www.alternet.org
http://web.archive.org/web/2001*sa_dc_ir_/http://www.abc.com
http://web.archive.org/web/2001*sa_dc_ir_/http://www.time.com
http://web.archive.org/web/2001*sa_dc_ir_/http://www.msnbc.com
http://web.archive.org/web/2001*sa_dc_ir_/http://www.abcnews.com
http://web.archive.org/web/2001*sa_dc_ir_/http://www.nasdaq.com
http://web.archive.org/web/2001*sa_dc_ir_/http://www.bloomberg.com
http://web.archive.org/web/2001*sa_dc_ir_/http://www.latimes.com
http://web.archive.org/web/2001*sa_dc_ir_/http://www.timesofindia.com
http://web.archive.org/web/2001*sa_dc_ir_/http://www.cnn.com
http://web.archive.org/web/2001*sa_dc_ir_/http://www.ual.com
http://web.archive.org/web/2001*sa_dc_ir_/http://www.cbsnews.com
http://web.archive.org/web/2001*sa_dc_ir_/http://www.nytimes.com







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This post was modified by Diana Hamilton on 2008-01-29 22:38:03

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Staffbrewster Date: Jan 29, 2008 12:45pm
Forum: web Subject: Re: The Internet Archive Censorship Scandal

There was nothing special happening before 9/11/2001-- the attempt is to crawl every site ever 2 months. sometimes things would be more frequent, but mostly 2 months.

with 9/11 events, the crawler team tried to archive things much more frequently. the news sites had trouble staying up, so that record is a bit spotty.

I hope this helps.

-brewster

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Poster: filmsplice Date: Jan 31, 2008 2:13pm
Forum: web Subject: Re: The Internet Archive Censorship Scandal

Why should a particular time period (of deletions, or whatever the circumstance) suggest deliberate, systematic information deletion? Or wrongdoing of any sort? Copyright limitations, availability-period phases, and many other factors can figure into this sort of outcome; it need not be some sort of conspiratorial wrongdoing, especially if no actual proof of such an activity is presented.

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Poster: Victoria Sachs Date: Feb 9, 2008 8:06pm
Forum: web Subject: Re: The Internet Archive Censorship Scandal

So, the Internet Archive's webcrawler Alexa was unable to cache the headline news main pages simultaneously during the weeks preceding September 11th, 2001:

http://web.archive.org/web/2001*sa_dc_ir_/http://www.newsweek.com
http://web.archive.org/web/2001*sa_dc_ir_/http://www.reuters.com
http://web.archive.org/web/2001*sa_dc_ir_/http://www.alternet.org
http://web.archive.org/web/2001*sa_dc_ir_/http://www.abc.com
http://web.archive.org/web/2001*sa_dc_ir_/http://www.time.com
http://web.archive.org/web/2001*sa_dc_ir_/http://www.msnbc.com
http://web.archive.org/web/2001*sa_dc_ir_/http://www.abcnews.com
http://web.archive.org/web/2001*sa_dc_ir_/http://www.nasdaq.com
http://web.archive.org/web/2001*sa_dc_ir_/http://www.bloomberg.com
http://web.archive.org/web/2001*sa_dc_ir_/http://www.latimes.com
http://web.archive.org/web/2001*sa_dc_ir_/http://www.timesofindia.com
http://web.archive.org/web/2001*sa_dc_ir_/http://www.cnn.com
http://web.archive.org/web/2001*sa_dc_ir_/http://www.ual.com
http://web.archive.org/web/2001*sa_dc_ir_/http://www.cbsnews.com
http://web.archive.org/web/2001*sa_dc_ir_/http://www.nytimes.com

Yet, somehow, the Internet Archive's webcrawler Alexa WAS able to cache SOME of the deeper files published during SOME of those days.
To discover which pages were cached, one must sift through a non-chronological (for some reason Alphabetical) list of every file archived:
http://web.archive.org/web/*sa_dc_ir_/http://www.newsweek.com*
http://web.archive.org/web/*sa_dc_ir_/http://www.reuters.com*
http://web.archive.org/web/*sa_dc_ir_/http://www.alternet.org*
http://web.archive.org/web/*sa_dc_ir_/http://www.abc.com*
http://web.archive.org/web/*sa_dc_ir_/http://www.time.com*
http://web.archive.org/web/*sa_dc_ir_/http://www.msnbc.com*
http://web.archive.org/web/*sa_dc_ir_/http://www.abcnews.com*
http://web.archive.org/web/*sa_dc_ir_/http://www.nasdaq.com*
http://web.archive.org/web/*sa_dc_ir_/http://www.bloomberg.com*
http://web.archive.org/web/*sa_dc_ir_/http://www.latimes.com*
http://web.archive.org/web/*sa_dc_ir_/http://www.timesofindia.com*
http://web.archive.org/web/*sa_dc_ir_/http://www.cnn.com*
http://web.archive.org/web/*sa_dc_ir_/http://www.ual.com*
http://web.archive.org/web/*sa_dc_ir_/http://www.cbsnews.com*
http://web.archive.org/web/*sa_dc_ir_/http://www.nytimes.com*
Thus one must sift through millions of files to discover which of those archives were indeed pages published during the time period in question.

Finally, one can compare the changes made over time to each page archived, only after first discovering each exact page address in question.
e.g. http://web.archive.org/web/*sa_dc_ir_/http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/11/new.york.terror/index.html

Well, we're glad you finally admit SOME percent of those important files were archived, now interested researchers will be able to discover what percent of those important files were NOT archived.

Still remaining to be explained, is why did the following subsequent deletions occur?

Before, the Internet Archive showed the 08/23/2001 cache of MSNBC.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/23220982@N05/2237239591/sizes/o/

Now, the Internet Archive refuses to show the 08/23/2001 cache of MSNBC.com
http://web.archive.org/web/2001*sa_dc_ir_/http://www.msnbc.com

So the 8/23/2001 cache of MSNBC.com was not "uncached", it was deleted.
Why did the Internet Archive delete the 8/23/2001 cache of MSNBC.com?





Before, the Internet Archive showed the 08/26/2001 cache of Bloomberg.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/23220982@N05/2237239591/sizes/o/

Now, the Internet Archive refuses to show the 08/26/2001 cache of Bloomberg.com
http://web.archive.org/web/2001*sa_dc_ir_/http://www.bloomberg.com

So the 08/26/2001 cache of Bloomberg.com was not "uncached", it was deleted.
Why did the Internet Archive delete the 08/26/2001 cache of Bloomberg.com?





Before, the Internet Archive showed the 08/23/2001 update #6 cache of CNN.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/23220982@N05/2237239591/sizes/o/

Now, the Internet Archive refuses to show the 08/23/2001 update #6 cache of CNN.com
http://web.archive.org/web/2001*sa_dc_ir_/http://www.cnn.com

So the 08/23/2001 update #6 cache of CNN.com was not "uncached", it was deleted.
Why did the Internet Archive delete the 08/23/2001 update #6 cache of CNN.com?





Before, the Internet Archive showed the 08/23/2001 update #7 cache of CNN.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/23220982@N05/2237239591/sizes/o/

Now, the Internet Archive refuses to show the 08/23/2001 update #7 cache of CNN.com
http://web.archive.org/web/2001*sa_dc_ir_/http://www.cnn.com

So the 08/23/2001 update #7 cache of CNN.com was not "uncached", it was deleted.
Why did the Internet Archive delete the 08/23/2001 update #7 cache of CNN.com?















This post was modified by Victoria Sachs on 2008-02-10 04:06:31

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Poster: angular Date: Feb 2, 2008 3:50am
Forum: web Subject: Re: The Internet Archive Censorship Scandal

Oh my God Victoria, get over it. Not everything in the world is some super secret plot to undermine the country. Hey, they took out my favorite Vienna sausages at the grocery store. It's the fault of the Bush administration.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Feb 2, 2008 8:03am
Forum: web Subject: Re: The Internet Archive Censorship Scandal

I bet she looks like Ilsa

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Poster: theonlyrealpersonhere Date: Feb 10, 2008 5:25am
Forum: web Subject: Re: The Internet Archive Censorship Scandal

Hello, Mossad nitwit. Clearly it's not in Israel's interests for anyone to know that 9/11 was planned by Ariel Sharon and Binyamin Netanyahu.

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Poster: Sherry Y Date: Feb 25, 2008 8:08pm
Forum: web Subject: Re: The Internet Archive Censorship Scandal

Hi Everyone

I'm doing a report on internet censorship and i was wondering if you believe in it weather it be at work, school, protecting children or by the government.

Thank-you
Sherry

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Poster: theonlyrealpersonhere Date: Mar 28, 2008 5:46pm
Forum: web Subject: Re: The Internet Archive Censorship Scandal

Internet censorship is an extension of censorship in general. For example, exposing the truth about the Jewish 'Holocaust' fraud will get you 5 years in jail in Germany and some other places. The Internet is just one more place where the truth is 'verboten' (forbidden). However, the Mutilated Penis Gang is in panic mode because of the Internet, which they do not yet own and control.

Far more insidious than Internet censorship is self-censorship, as practiced by most Americans despite theoretically being free to say what they like. Mind control programming is a fine art these days and appears to have been perfected in the USA, land of the walking braindead.

By the way, you misspelled the word 'whether'.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Mar 28, 2008 6:17pm
Forum: web Subject: Re: The Internet Archive Censorship Scandal

"Internet censorship is an extension of censorship in general. For example, exposing the truth about the Jewish 'Holocaust' fraud will get you 5 years in jail in Germany" I say give 'em life!!

Better it be a mental institution for the Jew haters.
btw, we never landed on the moon it was all hollywood, smoke & mirrors-hahah hehe hoho to the funny farm....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2bwLOagul8


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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDiana Hamilton Date: Mar 28, 2008 6:47pm
Forum: web Subject: Re: The Internet Archive Moonlanding Scandal

http://www.archive.org/details/UFOetryWeNeverWentToTheMoonPNTV

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Mar 28, 2008 10:32pm
Forum: web Subject: Re: The Internet Archive Moonlanding Scandal


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Poster: Victoria Sachs Date: Feb 2, 2008 7:50pm
Forum: web Subject: Re: The Internet Archive Censorship Scandal

Dear Mr. Brewster Kahle,

We are pleased to see your first public response about the Internet Archive Censorship of 2001.
But we are disappointed you have responded with "incorrect" (or intentionally false) information.

You claimed that "2 month" gaps were common in 2001, but the records show that is incorrect.

The records clearly show these large missing news gaps of 2001 only occurred once that year,
conveniently during those weeks preceding the execution of the "new Pearl Harbor" operation.

Furthermore, while your Internet Archive somehow failed to archive these 15 major news sites
during the weeks preceding September 11th, 2001 your Internet Archive successfully archived
minor news sites without any "trouble" (e.g. you archived JSonline.com with no 2 month gap.)

Before you implicate yourself further with easily disprovable answers, we suggest you sit down
together with your attorneys and examine the evidence of Internet Archive censorship carefully:

* 07/23/2001 to 09/15/2001 Internet Archive censored 55 consecutive days of Newsweek.com
http://web.archive.org/web/2001*sa_dc_ir_/http://www.newsweek.com

* 07/22/2001 to 09/10/2001 Internet Archive censored 51 consecutive days of Reuters.com
http://web.archive.org/web/2001*sa_dc_ir_/http://www.reuters.com

* 08/03/2001 to 09/15/2001 Internet Archive censored 44 consecutive days of Alternet.org
http://web.archive.org/web/2001*sa_dc_ir_/http://www.alternet.org

* 08/04/2001 to 09/15/2001 Internet Archive censored 43 consecutive days of ABC.com
http://web.archive.org/web/2001*sa_dc_ir_/http://www.abc.com

* 08/06/2001 to 09/13/2001 Internet Archive censored 39 consecutive days of Time.com
http://web.archive.org/web/2001*sa_dc_ir_/http://www.time.com

* 08/09/2001 to 09/10/2001 Internet Archive censored 33 consecutive days of MSNBC.com
http://web.archive.org/web/2001*sa_dc_ir_/http://www.msnbc.com

* 08/13/2001 to 09/10/2001 Internet Archive censored 29 consecutive days of ABCnews.com
http://web.archive.org/web/2001*sa_dc_ir_/http://www.abcnews.com

* 08/24/2001 to 09/12/2001 Internet Archive censored 20 consecutive days of Nasdaq.com
http://web.archive.org/web/2001*sa_dc_ir_/http://www.nasdaq.com

* 08/24/2001 to 09/11/2001 Internet Archive censored 19 consecutive days of Bloomberg.com
http://web.archive.org/web/2001*sa_dc_ir_/http://www.bloomberg.com

* 08/23/2001 to 09/10/2001 Internet Archive censored 19 consecutive days of LAtimes.com
http://web.archive.org/web/2001*sa_dc_ir_/http://www.latimes.com

* 08/26/2001 to 09/13/2001 Internet Archive censored 19 consecutive days of Timesofindia.com
http://web.archive.org/web/2001*sa_dc_ir_/http://www.timesofindia.com

* 08/24/2001 to 09/10/2001 Internet Archive censored 18 consecutive days of CNN.com
http://web.archive.org/web/2001*sa_dc_ir_/http://www.cnn.com

* 08/24/2001 to 09/10/2001 Internet Archive censored 18 consecutive days of UAL.com
http://web.archive.org/web/2001*sa_dc_ir_/http://www.ual.com

* 08/27/2001 to 09/12/2001 Internet Archive censored 17 consecutive days of CBSnews.com
http://web.archive.org/web/2001*sa_dc_ir_/http://www.cbsnews.com

* 08/23/2001 to 09/01/2001 Internet Archive censored 10 consecutive days of NYtimes.com
http://web.archive.org/web/2001*sa_dc_ir_/http://www.nytimes.com

It is quite possible that someone with inside knowledge of the "new Pearl Harbor" operation
posted numerous warnings within those websites of Newsweek, Reuters, Alternet, ABC, Time,
MSNBC, ABC News, Nasdaq, Bloomberg, LA Times, Times of India, CNN, UAL, CBS News,
and NY Times, during the weeks preceding September 11th, 2001, coincidentally unarchived.

Those missing archives are very important because almost 3,000 people were killed on 9-11,
and if the FBI discovers the Internet Archive founder/director/librarian Mr. Brewster Kahle had
the cache from 15 major news sites that could have helped bring those responsible to justice,
the world will demand to know WHY the Internet Archive censored evidence of foreknowledge.


















This post was modified by Victoria Sachs on 2008-02-03 03:50:07

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDiana Hamilton Date: Jan 31, 2008 3:40pm
Forum: web Subject: Re: The Internet Archive 9/11 News Gap

We are pleased to see your first public response

I expect it's not the first, because I remember reading a very similar post a few years ago, perhaps 2003 or 2004. If I find the post I recall, I will edit in the link, if you like.

EDIT: The post I recall may not have been by Brewster though, but by another staff member. Meanwhile, perhaps you will find this collection useful: http://www.archive.org/details/sept_11_tv_archive

This post was modified by Diana Hamilton on 2008-01-31 23:40:19

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Feb 1, 2008 6:54am
Forum: web Subject: Re: The Internet Archive 9/11 News Gap

When the conspiracists turn on the progressive and "enlightened" end of the political spectrum the cycle is complete and we can beam up to the mother ships with Mr Poole and his merry travellers PBUT. I wonder if this annoys the jihadi's also?

So liberals don't believe you anymore, conservatives never did and terrorists take it personal when you take credit for their work... So no matter who wins in the end these people need to start buidling a spaceship to escape, it's not looking good for them.

So in closing, Lee Harvey Oswald was a marine, they can shoot well. The moon is not in Los Angeles. Nazi rockets only made it to england. Japan hardly fired any. The chances of a reptile disguised as a human is laughable, ever seen "they live?" too much PCP and VCR rentals in the 90's... hilarious fight scene in the alley by the way over the sunglasses, classic cinema. None of the religions have been proven with the scientific method. I can burn buddahs face into a piece of toast with a soldering iron. 20 ghost hunter shows on TV and not one friggin real ghost yet? Let's keep the mold off the rye and the fungus amongus in check. Funny how omnipotent beings manifested in burnt food can infiltrate ebay but not china. Is there a connection to all this? The human connection, we are everywhere and some of us can think for ourselves so beware. I think Brewster gave more than enough credibility to this issue and found that distastful enough to begin with but now you are turning on him when the facts do not support your goal of... well whatever the hell the point is of not blaming terrorists that didn't just kill a bunch of a few hours ago. Do you have a picture? All I have is a Japanese ISP to admire you with.

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Poster: theonlyrealpersonhere Date: Feb 10, 2008 5:08am
Forum: web Subject: Re: The Internet Archive 9/11 News Gap

I see Mossad has discovered this thread. Now it's going to get spammed up with its typically puerile attempts to discredit anyone who comes near the truth of anything at all.

The particular fallacy being employed by the greatest minds in Israel is known as 'guilt by association'. I.e flying saucers are imaginary, therefore so is Israeli involvement in 9/11.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Feb 11, 2008 10:45am
Forum: web Subject: The circle is complete now!

Oh great now am I am Jewish! Can I get a job in Hollywood now? I am already circumcized but I can cut some more off. You people are friggin nuts man, the only "ish" in me is Irish and I used to sympathize with the Palestinians until I saw them jumping for joy while my part of the world was hit by planes of which I watched the 2nd one hit live on TV. I am curious who stands to gain by thinking the only country that keeps Isreal from being overwhelmed by superior numbers was attacked by one of their strongest allies?

Since we started this musical project we have been called the following:

Racist
Islamophobic
Neocons (ya know those struggling pot smoking atheist small business owners are really ceo's of global domination orwellian megacorporations bent on opression of the constitituon which they secretly love)
Troll
Spammer
Warmonger
Asshole
Etc...

Now I am an Isreali spy nazi hunter/911 attacker!

Where the fuck is my paycheck?

Actually I'm a middle class white kid from Jersey who is not afriad to speak the truth while all the PC brainwashed masses herd towards the latest trend of conspiracy theories, ideological dogma and cultural deprevation.

I think I speak for most people when I say accusing a former marxist/anarchist musician of being a spy is HILARIOUS and in no way adds to your credibility or argument.

Note updated after CIA blackops email about spelling error...

This post was modified by NoiseCollector on 2008-02-11 18:45:23

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Poster: theonlyrealpersonhere Date: Feb 11, 2008 10:49am
Forum: web Subject: Re: The circle is complete now!

Fokken eejit

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Feb 11, 2008 11:00am
Forum: web Subject: Re: The circle is complete now!

Terdburglar

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Poster: theonlyrealpersonhere Date: Feb 11, 2008 12:19pm
Forum: web Subject: Re: The circle is complete now!

Is that the best you can do? Clearly you are not an Irishman. I'll bet you live in New Brunswick.

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Poster: dedmon Date: Feb 12, 2008 5:18pm
Forum: web Subject: Re: The circle is complete now!

do you love obama uncle benladen beans and rice as much as she does?

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Poster: DancingHamster Date: Jan 31, 2008 1:35pm
Forum: web Subject: Re: The Internet Archive Censorship Scandal

Thank you Victoria for pointing out this disturbing censorship at the Archive. I just discovered, much to my immense distress, that hamsterdance.com was also censored by Brewster Kahle in 2001!

http://web.archive.org/web/2001*/http://hamsterdance.com

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Jan 31, 2008 2:19pm
Forum: web Subject: Re: The Internet Archive Censorship Scandal

I knew the rodents were behind this.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Staffgojomo Date: Feb 2, 2008 5:15pm
Forum: web Subject: Re: The Internet Archive Censorship Scandal

Victoria,

I doubt that we will convince you, but for any others considering your allegations:

When Brewster speaks of a "2 months" period, that was the general restart cycle of Alexa crawls for much of the Archive's history. While many pages, especially popular media pages, were in fact crawled more often -- and sometimes more than once per day -- such extra collection has always been on an as-possible basis.

If you look at the history of the sites you mention, or a mix of other sites, you will see many times where there are collection gaps of a week, multiple weeks, or even months. You will see days a site was visited several times, then subsequent runs of days it was not visited at all. The collection and storage processes were (and remain today) subject to ongoing revision, as well as reliability and available resource constraints.

Let's look more closely at just one of your examples, cnn.com, and only the year 2001 -- http://web.archive.org/web/2001*/http://www.cnn.com .

We can see:

- we have *no* visits at all from January-February
- March has a 22-day gap
- April has a 9-day gap and a 14-day gap extending into May
- May 3 starts a intense-coverage run -- multiple copies per day to July 3
- July has a 6-day gap and then a 22-day gap leading into August
- finally there's the 18-day gap you imagine to be "censorship"
- September 11 starts another good intensive-coverage run through to the end of the year -- crawling efforts were redoubled due to unfolding events.

(Note that I am only talking about gaps in the collection of the cnn.com root homepage above. There are other deeper cnn.com pages during many of the periods above, such as these in the late August-early September period: http://web.archive.org/web/20010824-20010910*sr_1nr_1000/http://cnn.com/* )

Checking also the cnn.com root homepage in year 2000 -- there are many multi-week gaps. Checking 2002 -- many multiweek gaps and at least one whole missing month, April. In 2003 -- many multiweek gaps, including another 18-day gap around late August/early September.

You will find similar results for other sites, and in this context, the gaps you've highlighted are fairly common and indicate nothing sinister.

Finally, I will say that if you think the kind of people building the Internet Archive, from Brewster through the whole staff, believe in censorship or any sort of information suppression, then you are misjudging the culture of the organization. We are librarians and archivists; we preserve as much as possible for the benefit of the public and future generations. We even provide free tools that let people perform their own web crawls and create web-accessible archives according to their own priorities.

- Gordon @ IA

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Poster: Victoria Sachs Date: Feb 2, 2008 7:14pm
Forum: web Subject: Re: The Internet Archive Censorship Scandal

Gordon claimed, "There are other deeper cnn.com pages during many of the periods above, such as these in the late August-early September period: http://web.archive.org/web/20010824-20010910*sr_1nr_1000/http://cnn.com/* "

In reality that link shows absolutely no archived CNN pages published during that period. That link shows archived CNN pages published in 1996, 1999, and 2000.




The record published by the Internet Archive clearly shows that a gap of this size, of these 15 sites, occurring simultaneously, is special because it happened only once in the history of the Internet Archive.




Thus the Internet Archive is unfortunately unable to show what Newsweek, Reuters, Alternet, ABC, Time, MSNBC, ABCnews, Nasdaq, Bloomberg, LA Times, Times of India, CNN, UAL, CBSnews, and the New York Times, published online during the weeks preceding September 11th, 2001.













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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Staffgojomo Date: Feb 7, 2008 9:34am
Forum: web Subject: Re: The Internet Archive Censorship Scandal

In reality that link shows absolutely no archived CNN pages published during that period. That link shows archived CNN pages published in 1996, 1999, and 2000.


The pages were collected in that period, just as we have CNN.com archive pages dated (by CNN itself) late August/early September 2001 that were collected at later times. (For just one example: http://web.archive.org/web/2002-2003*sr_1nr_100/http://cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/09/0* )

The record published by the Internet Archive clearly shows that a gap of this size, of these 15 sites, occurring simultaneously, is special because it happened only once in the history of the Internet Archive.


Unless you are using strained definitions, this is false. It is false even with your handpicked set of homepages, and false even just for 2001. The longest simultaneous gap affecting all 15 homepages at once in your highlighted period is July 23 - August 1 -- 10 days. (There is also a 9-day gap from August 13 to 21.). In contrast, there is a longer 17-day gap affecting all 15 site homepages in February 2001. There is also a 15-day gap from December 2000 into January 2001.

There are also similar common gaps affecting all or almost all of the same site homepages in 2000. And again in April-May 2002. And again in August-September 2003. And probably more -- but that should be enough to demonstrate that sadly, coverage of these sites often fell short of the daily intensity you are expecting. Unfortunate, but also unremarkable.

There's plenty now in this thread for third parties to fairly evaluate your claims or do their own research.

- Gordon @ IA

This post was modified by gojomo on 2008-02-07 17:34:14